GRUMBLERS GET OUT!
DO 2716
8/91--REPENT!--Or PERISH in the SYSTEM!
--Dad's Blast after Hearing about Zack Attack!
1. The best thing in the World for grumblers is a good strong dose of the System!--To have them go out & see what it's really like! They'll come running home with their tails between their legs begging to get back in! (Maria: If they can ever get home.) The Lord forgives backsliders. Remember the Prodigal Son? If they really want to come back home, He'll help them. But they'll have to get that hankering for the World washed out of their system & not go around grumbling to everybody, voicing the Devil's lies!
2. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN STRONG ON THAT! Get rid of a murmurer & a grumbler & get rid of'm QUICK! Let'm get out there & see what it's REALLY like! That's what the Lord did with those grumbling, murmuring Jews! (Maria: Yes, they weren't satisfied with their lot in life so He gave them something else, something to cry ABOUT!) They were always murmuring, grumbling & pulling other people down. (See Exo.14:11-12; 16:2; 17:3 etc.)
3. MURMURERS & GRUMBLERS ARE NEVER SATISFIED UNLESS THEY TAKE SOMEBODY ELSE WITH THEM. They're the Devil's own preachers, his own propagandists! They're always trying to pull down others. And they're very CLEVER sometimes! I'll tell you, whenever I heard about them, I couldn't get RID of them FAST enough! I'd tell'm, "You want to go? Then for God's sake, GO! We'll HELP you go!" They usually had relatives who were glad to help them get out of the Family. Let'm go back to live with their parents or grandparents & then they'll REALLY get a taste of it! They'll come back BEGGING to get in! A lot of them have--like the Prodigal Son!
4. THE LORD SAID, "I AM MARRIED TO THE BACKSLIDER!"--Jer.3:14. He still LOVES'm, but He gives'm a good THRASHING! He really gives them a good taste of it, chastising! "Whom the Lord loveth He CHASTENETH, & SCOURGETH every son whom He receiveth."--Heb.12:6. I'll tell you, the scourging of the System is exactly what they need if they think that life in the System is better. Let'm GO! We can't get rid of them fast enough! What are we doing fiddling around with this complainer? (Maria: Yes, I wonder.--I guess because he's so talented & he was supposed to be one of our bellwethers, & we've invested so much in him.) Oh, baloney! If he's griping & grumbling around about how the System is better, let him GO & get a good TASTE of it! That'll cure him! (Maria: He's been complaining about things for months, even while he's been a JETT Shepherd!) Good night! That's a TERRIBLE example & a TERRIBLE influence!
5. I'D SAY GET RID OF HIM NOW, RIGHT NOW! You couldn't get rid of him quick enough! Nobody's so needed that they can't be kicked out! Backsliders USUALLY have certain talents & attractions, they're the Devil's own bait! (Maria: A lot of the Teens look up to him because he's so talented & he's older, 24 now.)
6. MY GOD! TO THINK THEY'D LET HIM GET AWAY WITH SAYING THINGS LIKE THAT, that a System boss would be better than his Family Shepherds! Who was letting him get away with all this, anyhow? (Maria: It looks like EVERYBODY has let him get away with it for YEARS!) Well, I say FIRE him now! EXCOMMUNICATE him right now! Send him back to the System right now! That's ALWAYS been my position with people like that, murmurers, complainers, grumblers. They're always fiddling around behind your back trying to attract others & pull'm down with'm!--Always complaining, always griping, always murmuring, always bellyaching, always criticising & trying to undermine faith & confidence in leadership! God HELP us! What is the MATTER with us that we can't SEE those things & get RID of them! I've NEVER put up with that kind of thing! How come?!
7. OUR LEADERS AT TSC ALWAYS USED TO COME TO ME ABOUT PROBLEM CASES & SAY, "WE'VE HAD SOME VERY LONG TALKS WITH HIM, we've spent HOURS with him, we PRAYED with him, & he still hasn't changed!" I said, "There's one thing you HAVEN'T done that you NEED to do & that's kick'm OUT! THEN he'll learn his needed lessons!"
8. (MARIA: HE WAS IN THE VICTOR PROGRAM FOR QUITE A FEW MONTHS & he did better, so then he graduated & became a JETT Shepherd, but his complaints & grumblings are continuing.) Of all things, to make him a LEADER of our TEENS! That's the WORST kind of an example to have! I want you to send some kind of word to them TODAY, to kick him out! Get rid of him!--Straight from Dad! I NEVER put up with a grumbler & a backslider & a murmurer, & neither does GOD!
9. (MARIA: HE DOESN'T LIKE THE WAY I DO THINGS EITHER. He quotes some of the older Letters & says, "Dad says this & Dad says that." He doesn't like the way hardly ANYBODY does things! He's always quoting MO Letters to people, but mostly all out of context.) That's exactly what so many murmurers do. A lot of them are smart enough--the Devil makes them smart enough--that they don't dare criticise TOP leadership, it's always their underleaders. But he's getting awful near the top when he's criticising YOU!
10. NOW! GET RID OF HIM! God DAMN him to the System until he gets fed up! (Maria: He's got a wife whom he may have corrupted too. Maybe she was already corrupted, but if so, he's made her worse.) Then she can go with him. Let them BOTH get a real good dose of the System & get fed up!--And if THAT doesn't cure them, NOTHING will!
11. I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT HIS PROBLEMS ONCE BEFORE, BUT I DIDN'T REALISE IT WAS THAT BAD. I am AMAZED that our leaders have put up with him! Now you just tell them from me to get rid of him NOW, TODAY! Tell him to wire or phone his folks to send him the money to go home. (Maria: His folks are in the Family & they don't have the money.) Well, he can phone his grandparents, & if they won't do it, just kick him out anyhow & let him see what mercy the System has, how much the SYSTEM will do for him! (Maria: He can just get a System job & live on his own. He's 24 years old! He can play a guitar, he can work in a studio, he can do lots of things to try to support himself.) Right! He thinks the System is so wonderful, let him find out!
12. NOW DO IT! I'M SICK & FED UP WITH HEARING ABOUT THAT GUY, & I mean it! He's a spoiled little brat, that's his problem! (Maria: You put it really nicely, ha!--Better than I did in my whole Letter! And come to think of it, as hot as my Letter was, beside what YOU have to say, it seems like I was still very merciful & gentle!--Ha!) Well, I'm NOT!--Not with GRUMBLERS! Not with critics of leadership & subverters! They're great big time-wasters! They're ALWAYS big time-wasters. They want to voice their grumblings & their criticisms & their gripes & their bellyaches to everybody, ESPECIALLY to weaker brethren.
PRODIGALS & JUST PLAIN DESERTERS!
13. NOW KICK HIM OUT! If his grandparents won't take him, kick him out right there & see what the SYSTEM will do with him! Let him get a good taste of the mercy of the System! He doesn't deserve OUR mercy, let him have a sample of the DEVIL'S mercy. I'll tell you, if they belong in THIS Family, they'll eventually come running back, screaming for GOD'S mercy & saying they're sorry! (Maria: Or else they're so PROUD & SELF-RIGHTEOUS they never get to the point where they can bring themselves to come back no matter how bad off they've gotten.)
14. YES, THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF DESERTERS: Those who are PRODIGALS & return to us, & just plain DESERTERS who were never really with us in spirit, so they backslide & they'll never return to us. Paul has a lot to say about those guys, & he says very clearly to get RID of them! (See Rom.16:17; 2Th.3:6; 1Tim:6:3-5.) If they repent & want to come home, all right; but if not, for GOD'S sake, & the FAMILY'S sake, get rid of them! Even for their OWN sake get rid of them!
15. NOW I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THIS GUY ANY MORE! Tell him to get his Hell OUT of the Family! Get the Hell out of here, & NOW! I don't want to hear about him any more unless he REPENTS & comes home like the Prodigal Son! The Prodigal Son was REPENTANT, he CONFESSED, & he said he was not even worthy to be called a son any more, "Make me as one of thy hired SERVANTS!"--Luk.15:19. That's what HE needs to do! And I MEAN it! NOW! Send him the word today!
16. JUST SOCK IT TO HIM & LET HIM HAVE THE SYSTEM, & let him see what THEY'LL do for him! I can't STAND those murmurers! I never could! I always kicked them out IMMEDIATELY! Sometimes I'd give them their bus fare to the nearest town, or take'm down to the highway if they wanted to hitchhike.
TONY'S YOUTH IS NO EXCUSE!
17. (MARIA: HE WANTS TO HAVE A TEEN REVOLUTION & HAVE THE TEENS RUN THINGS, because he doesn't like how the adults supposedly squelch the Teens & how they supervise them too closely.) What he means is HE wants to run things! He's lifted up in pride.
18. I CAN'T GET RID OF THOSE GUYS WHO SOW DISCORD FAST ENOUGH! What the Hell is the matter with our people that they would put up with a guy like that for so long? It didn't take me five minutes to get rid of'm! Our leaders at the Ranch would deal with them for HOURS & DAYS, & sometimes it ran into WEEKS. When I finally heard about it I'd say, "You just send them to ME! It won't take me FIVE MINUTES to take care of them!"--And I'd send'm down the road!
19. (MARIA: I GUESS IT'S BECAUSE HE'S ONE OF OUR YOUNGER GENERATION. But he's not really a Teen any more.) Just because he's the younger generation is no excuse. He has absolutely NO excuses! He knows better. The Devil is using him, it's just the Devil in him!--So let him GO to the Devil & let's see how much the Devil will do for him!--And NOW! I don't want to hear about him any more! I want him kicked out NOW, TODAY, period!
REPENT & GET THE VIC!--OR GET OUT!
20. (MARIA: WE HEARD THAT HE JUST HAD PRAYER FOR DELIVERANCE, SO I WONDER IF HE HAS CHANGED?) Unless he has REPENTED, CONFESSED & shown FRUITS meet for repentance, unless he's had a PHENOMENAL, MIRACULOUS, SUPERNATURAL change in attitude with no more gripin' & grumblin' & bellyachin' around & trying to subvert the Teens, unless it has happened already & they see EVIDENCE of it, a DRAMATIC, DRASTIC change, OUT he goes, NOW!
21. THEY NEED TO FACE HIM & say, "What about it? Are you going to get up & confess before the whole crowd? You've been rebuked time & again." Now he needs to get up & CONFESS before the whole church & before all the Teens, before EVERYBODY, & REPENT & do "works meet for repentance" (Mat.3:8), & do it QUICK, right now! Two or three witnesses need to go to him for the last time & tell him what I said!--Mat.18:16. And if he doesn't REALLY repent & confess & have a tremendous, dramatic, drastic, supernatural, miraculous CHANGE of HEART & ATTITUDE & MIND & TONGUE, then kick him OUT! That's the WORST part about those people, their TONGUES, because they cause so many others to stumble!
22. He needs to get up & confess with strong crying & tears & a real show of repentance & confession & humbling! He oughta grovel on the floor with strong crying & tears & ask everybody to forgive him & say he's never going to do it again, & show it, or out he goes, right now! That's the word with the bark on it & the growl & the bite from Dad! Is that clear? (Maria: Yes, Sir!) All right, now do it! (Maria: We'd better include his wife in on that, because she's pretty guilty too.) And if his wife is like him, let her follow after him & go with him.
23. HAVE THEY GOT ANY CHILDREN? (Maria: Yes, they have one little boy.) Well, if they want to leave him, we'll be glad to take him. It's not the child's fault. (Maria: He idolises his son.) If he doesn't want to leave him, if he wants to take the boy with him, then let him go with him, we can't force him to stay.--Otherwise he'll get the law & the System & they'll certainly sympathise with him. He deserves to have his child be just like him, & that's the way the boy will turn out, unless his father repents!
24. NOW LET'S QUIT STALLING AROUND & FIDDLING AROUND ABOUT IT! I'm sick & tired of hearing about it, I want him OUT! Either that, or completely TRANSFORMED, right now, the next session! Let the elders deal with him, but not by the hour, having hour-long prayers & blah blah, just tell him off! Give him the ULTIMATUM! Tell him, "Tonight, at our next meeting, you're going to get up & weep & pray & cry for mercy & grovel on the floor & confess that you're all wrong right in front of all the Teenagers & everybody, & BEG for mercy, & show a tremendous, complete TRANSFORMATION of heart!--Either that, or pack your bags & go, & let's see how wonderful the System will be to you!"
25. DID YOU HEAR ME? (Maria: Yes, Sir.) Right, I mean it! Now! Today! Tonight, if possible! No longer than tomorrow! NOW! It's never too early to get rid of that kind of guy, those bellyachers, criticisers & holier-than-thou hypocrites! (Maria: Yes, he's REALLY self-righteous.) I have NEVER put up with those people! I kicked'm out quick at the Ranch & on the Road & wherever! I just kicked'm out!--And if their wives didn't want to go with them, we let'm stay.
26. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO JUST HAVEN'T GOT IT, LET'S FACE IT! Even though you think they've got everything, if they haven't got real FAITH & LOVE & DEVOTION to the LORD & the FAMILY & ABSOLUTE LOYALTY, then they haven't got it! Kick'm out!--The Military does! They give them a "dishonourable discharge." Give him a dishonourable discharge, excommunication!--Not a word from the Family any more. If they've spoken AGAINST the Family, they don't deserve to be IN the Family.
27. Now do it!--And quit bothering me about that guy! I don't ever want to hear about him again unless he comes back a changed man! Do you hear me? (Maria: Yes. I'd like you to read my Letter to him, though.) Fine, I'll read it any time, today or tomorrow.
28. I REMEMBER WHEN BIG JOSH & HO & SOMEBODY ELSE CAME TO ME ABOUT SOME GRIPER WE HAD THERE AT THE CAMP. They said, "We've spent hours, we've spent days, we've been working on him for WEEKS now!" I said, "You HAVE?--And he's that bad? Just tell him to come to ME & I'LL take care of him!" And I had a little word of prayer with him to see if he wanted to repent & confess. But when I found out he was of the same mind still--a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still--I just was very sweet & nice & I said, "We'll take you down to the highway. We'll even give you the bus fare to Fort Worth, where your folks can send you the money to go home." I didn't want'm hanging around the local situation & griping to all the neighbours & farmers & local people. I didn't even want them down there hitchhiking for that matter, I'd rather give'm the bus fare & get'm OUT of there, somewhere they wouldn't do us so much harm!
29. (MARIA: IT SEEMS LIKE DEAR ZACK ATTACK HAS BEEN ATTACKING EVERYBODY BUT THE DEVIL!) Yes, exactly. Well, the Lord's going to attack HIM now! That's it, period! Get him out! I'M attacking! GOD'S attacking! God couldn't STAND those murmurers! He finally left the whole God-damned caboodle of Jewish parents of the young people out there to die, their bones bleaching on the desert, & NEVER let them into the Promised Land! Only their YOUNG people were allowed to go into the Promised Land, those who were faithful, loyal & trusting, who admired & followed the leaders & obeyed.
30. (MARIA: IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY OLD BOTTLES & they don't have the faith or the love or the loyalty that our older ones do.) Then get RID of them! They think they like the SYSTEM? Let'm GO to the System! Let'm go home to the System!--To parents or grandparents or relatives or somebody! They like System bosses better? Let'm go out & GET a System boss & a System job & see what happens!
TOLD TO GO BY MO!
31. ZACK, I ATTACK YOU FOR THE LORD'S SAKE & THE FAMILY'S SAKE! Get the Hell OUT of here!--And you can't get out fast enough to suit me! At least you can brag that you were thrown out by MO himself! You finally reached the top! You wanted attention? You GOT it! You got my attention!
32. I USED TO TELL OUR LEADERS, "LISTEN, BY THE TIME THEY GET BAD ENOUGH TO HAVE TO BRING THEM TO ME, THAT'S THE END, the LIMIT, OUT they go! No more! If you've dealt with them & prayed with them & everything else & they haven't confessed & repented & changed, then I'm the last stop! Out they go!" I don't give a DAMN how TALENTED he is, how HANDSOME he is or what a leader he is. He's a leader of the DEVIL! He's just there to subvert our poor kids. Now get him OUT, NOW!
THE PRODIGAL SON TRULY REPENTED!
33. WHEN THE PRODIGAL SON WANTED TO LEAVE THE FAMILY, his father gave him money to go, & he left. And he wasted it all on riotous living until he was down in the muck of the pig pen, willing to eat the husks that the swine did eat.--Until he finally came to his senses & said, "What am I doing here? Even my father's servants have it better than I have! I will rise & go to my father & tell him that I am no more worthy to be called a son"--that was certainly true--"just make me as one of your hired servants!" But because he was GENUINELY, TRULY repentant, CONFESSED & CHANGED, the father loved him & had a party for him & was glad to have him back. (See Luk.15:11-32.)
34. ONLY THE OLDER SON GRIPED ABOUT IT. And the father said to the older son, "This my son has come back & lives! Why should YOU gripe about it? Everything I have is YOURS now! He has no more, he's HAD his share of the inheritance." The younger brother was now going to have to work like a hired servant for his brother. That's about the only job you can give those backsliders if they come back, until they prove to you that they really ARE changed.
TROUBLEMAKERS LOVE ATTENTION!
35. SO GET RID OF HIM! KICK HIM OUT! Shake the dust of your feet off on him!--Mark 6:11. He's getting away with murder!--Staying in the Family this long, as long as you've known he has those problems! What the Hell is wrong with those leaders, anyway? I've never done that! I've always gotten rid of them & I've TOLD them in Letter after Letter to get rid of them quickly, instantly! You can't get rid of them fast enough before they subvert too many more people. Now do it!
36. THOSE GOD-DAMNED BACKSLIDERS, THEY LOVE ALL THE ATTENTION THEY CAN GET! Oh man, from our earliest schools in Florida I found that out! There was one girl who was going around talking against us behind our backs to EVERYBODY! And boy, as soon as I FOUND it out, I THREW her out--& one girlfriend that went with her--so fast it made her head swim! She phoned her folks & got the money & went home & we never saw her again, thank God! I'll tell you, you can't get rid of them soon enough, & if they don't change, you can be THANKFUL that you never see'm again!
37. MY GOD! I DON'T CARE HOW TALENTED THEY ARE, I don't care what they can DO, I don't care how much MONEY they can make! I don't care a God-damned thing about them if they're not LOYAL to the Family, & are grumbling & criticising & bellyaching about the Family!
SYSTEM SLAVEDRIVERS!
38. THE IDEA OF SAYING THAT HE'D BE BETTER OFF UNDER A SYSTEM BOSS OUT IN THE SYSTEM! Just let him wait & see! There's no System boss out in the System that you only work eight hours a day for. You live 24 hours a day for that System boss & under his iron rule! The Jews found that out down in Egypt. They griped & grumbled, & then they really got it! And then they went out, they were even released, think of it, under Moses, God's man, & they KEPT ON griping & grumbling! God put up with it for 40 years of their wanderings in the wilderness, after chastising them again & again & again, & finally He just told their kids they could go in along with Caleb & Joshua, & sent the parents all out in the desert to die, & die they did!--Num.14:26-35.
"OH HOW HE LIED!"
39. His situation sort of reminds me of a funny old song, which I'll paraphrase for you. (Sings:)
"He said that he loved us,
But oh how he lied,
Oh how he lied, oh how he lied!
He said that he loved us,
But oh how he lied,
Oh, how he lied!
"She thought that he loved her,
(--"She" & "her" in this case is the Family)
But oh how he lied,
Oh how he lied, oh how he lied!
She thought that he loved her,
But oh how he lied,
Oh, how he lied!
"He kept on lying & one day he died,
One day he died, one day he died!
He kept on his lying, & one day he died,
One day he died!
"So he went down to hm-hm
(in those days it was naughty to say "Hell")
And oh how he fried!
Oh how he fried, oh how he fried!
He went down to hm-hm, & oh how he fried,
Oh, how he fried!
"She went up to Heaven & oh how she flied,
Oh how she flied, oh how she flied!
She went up to Heaven & flip-flop she flied,
Flip-flop she flied!"
40. SO MUCH FOR LIARS!--UNREPENTANT, UNCONFESSED LIARS! And he'll lie even more as soon as you kick him out, & then it will ALL come out! And if they can't run to relatives, they'll run to the SYSTEM. They always run to your enemies, & they will always give them a ready & willing ear for all their criticism & complaints.
41. BOY, I'LL TELL YOU, I WAS NEVER KNOWN FOR BEING A PUSHOVER! From the beginning of the Family I was tough, & that's what got us where we are! And that's what got us RID of a lot of those people who would have been nothing but a drag & a hindrance & troublemakers. I saw through them in no time at all! They were the Devil's own minions* trying to hang around just to cause trouble! (*minions = willing servants or followers) They were the big fat birds that didn't want to get out of the nest. "I don't want to leave the nest"--that's their bird song--"I just want to stay & make trouble!"
THE SYMPATHISERS CAN GO TOO!
42. ALL RIGHT, IS THAT CLEAR? (Maria: Yes, & we have to make it clear to the Teens that when people get to this point where we're ready to kick'm out, it isn't just once or twice that they've been a problem, it's been over a long long period where they've had reprimand after reprimand, correction after correction. We haven't been unfair to them; to the contrary, they've had chance after chance after chance!--And finally the Lord just gives up on them. He gets to the end of His rope & sees that there's no more hope for them, except for the System. He says, "My Spirit will not always strive with Man!"--Gen.6:3.)
43. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I DID WITH PEOPLE WHO SYMPATHISED WITH THEM & COMPLAINED about what we did with them, I told them, "You can go WITH'm! If you have more faith in THEM than you have in US, if you think THEY'RE right & WE'RE wrong, you go WITH'm!" And in the process we got rid of several different troublemakers who had been listening to them, sympathising & spreading their poison. Kick'm out & you'll soon find who's loyal! If anybody complains about it, kick THEM out too & let'm go with'm!
44. THAT'S IT, HONEY, THAT'S ENOUGH. WHAT MORE CAN I SAY? (Maria: We got a really good MO Letter out of it!) It's nothing new, I've done it for years. We always had some leaders who were trying to hang on to them, "Oh, but they're such a leader, they have such talent, they've got this & that & we just hate to put'm out for fear some of their admirers will be stumbled & blah blah." I said, "LET'm stumble!--Let'm stumble after'm! If they believe THEM more than they do US & are more loyal to them than us, let'm GO! Let'm ALL go!" That's what dear GIDEON did, he wasn't worried about numbers. He was only worried about having too MANY people--too many people like THAT! (See Judges 7:1-7.)
Get'm Delivered or Kick'm Out!
45. (Maria: We're pretty merciful in the Family, but where we have to draw the line is with complainers & troublemakers.) Yes, to put up with problems like that, who persist & don't change, that's too merciful! The quicker you get rid of them, the better! We don't need people like that. We don't need numbers like that. It's better to get rid of them. Either get'm delivered--& obviously delivered, really supernaturally, miraculously changed with the fruits of repentance & tested to be sure they stay delivered--or kick'm out!
46. BEING IN THE FAMILY IS NOT A RIGHT, IT'S A PRIVILEGE, & people who don't deserve it don't have the right to stay! Just cancel their privilege & kick'm out, EXCOMMUNICATE them!--Especially people who are bad influences. And a rotten apple is ALWAYS a bad, rotting influence on others. You leave them long enough & they'll have the WHOLE BARREL rotten! So you can't possibly kick them out too soon after they've had adequate time to change & have refused.
47. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH OUR LEADERS THAT THEY'RE SO GUTLESS, so namby-pamby, such sissy pushovers, that they let people like that push them around & fool them & cause them trouble, endless trouble! My God, I would have gotten rid of that guy years ago! (Maria: Yes, thank You Lord.)
48. WELL, HE'S HAD PROBLEMS, BUT HE'S GOT HIS BIGGEST PROBLEM NOW! He's going to learn what the WORLD'S mercy, the DEVIL'S mercy, is like!--The System that he wants to join where he thinks he'll be better off. He'll soon find out, & that's the best way for that kind of guy to learn, including his wife. Lord have mercy on the poor CHILD! But if they don't change, their kids will grow up just like them, or worse. Look at DEB & HER kids!--Robbers, thieves, drug addicts, dope pushers, in & out of jail most of the time, along with their father.
49. I'LL TELL YOU, THEY REAP WHAT THEY SOW, THEY PAY!--UNLESS they repent, like the Prodigal Son, & confess, & come running back home BEGGING to be let in!--Acknowledging they don't even DESERVE to be, but that they're just willing to be a SERVANT. He doesn't even deserve to be a servant or put down to Babe's status, all HE needs is excommunication for all the trouble he's caused, & is STILL causing, & probably will YET cause unless he REPENTS! He'll probably go straight to our enemies, that's what they usually do.
BETTER TO HAVE TROUBLEMAKERS ON THE OUTSIDE!
50. I'LL NEVER FORGET WHEN I TOLD HO TO KICK OUT THAT GUY WHO HAD RUN THE ATLANTA COLONY, DAVID HOYT. Talk about talented, he'd been a leader of the Jesus People, & when he found us, he joined us with all of his people, & he was tickled pink! But then, people like that sometimes think they deserve to RUN EVERYTHING, so when they got to London & Ho began publishing there, he wanted to be the big cheese, he wanted to be the boss, the editor. And since Ho apparently knew him pretty well & wouldn't let him--although he was willing to have him work UNDER him--David Hoyt got mad & walked off straight into the hands of our enemies & became an enemy & a backslider & a thorn in the flesh!--Which is what he WANTED to be, since he couldn't be what he wanted to be while in the Family! (See ML#168, "Baalzebub--Lord of the Flies!")
51. THAT'S ONE WAY THESE BACKSLIDERS CAN BE WHAT THEY WANT TO BE. They want to HURT what they couldn't control & rule, so they try to give us all kinds of trouble. But I've gotten used to it, I just expect it. When we kick people out, I EXPECT them to try to cause trouble. But we're always better off getting them OUT than having them right in our midst causing trouble IN the Family. I'd lots rather have them an enemy OUTSIDE the Family trying to cause us trouble, than allowing them to stay INSIDE & putting up with them & giving us trouble INSIDE. They're much more dangerous INSIDE the Family. They always try to split & defeat & draw people away, & they have a better opportunity to do that inside. They can cause more trouble INSIDE than outside. They're a greater security threat on the inside than on the outside. No matter how much they join our enemies & fight against us, they can't do as much damage OUTSIDE as INSIDE.
CALL THEIR BLUFF!
52. (MARIA: SOMETIMES PEOPLE CAUSE ALL KINDS OF TROUBLE & they think they're some kind of exception to the rules because of their talents. Then when they get correction & don't like it, they threaten to leave & go home.) Call their bluff! That's what often straightens some of them out. When they threaten to leave & cause trouble, blah blah, LET'm! They'll be less trouble OUT of the Family than IN!
DEMOTION!--A TEST OF HUMILITY!
53. ALL RIGHT, PLEASE, LET'S PUT A PERIOD THERE! THAT'S THE END OF IT! We're going to EXCOMMUNICATE him if he doesn't confess & repent with strong crying & tears & "bring forth fruits meet for repentance" & show a VAST change of heart & become a different creature!--In which case we'd FORGIVE him, if he shows he really MEANS it & is DIFFERENT! But the LEAST we can do for him is put him to work at some bottom job washing dishes or cleaning toilets. That's what we used to do with some of those people, we DEMOTED them to try to MAKE them HUMBLE. We'd give them the most menial jobs to see if they were humble, put'm down.
54. TAKE AWAY ALL OF HIS RESPONSIBLE JOBS & POSITIONS & MAKE HIM A FLUNKY--mopping floors & cleaning toilets! Then even the KIDS will understand how bad he is, how DEMOTED he is. And if he can TAKE that, & if he confesses all of his faults & all of the lies he's told & all of the criticisms he's made & all the rest, then you know he's really SORRY & REPENTANT. You've got to get it all out of him or else he'll STILL be a problem. And if you can't, then fire him from everything! (Maria: All this applies to his wife too?) Yes, if she follows him.
OUR LEADERS HAVE BEEN TOO SOFT & LENIENT!
55. (MARIA: THE FUNNY THING ABOUT IT is these people seem to complain against their leaders, that they're too hard on them & they're too strict on them, & they say, "If DAD knew about this, he wouldn't agree with this!" And then you come in & lower the boom & right away they get real convinced that their leaders WEREN'T so strict on'm after all & their leaders were pretty gentle, probably TOO gentle!) Exactly, TOO lenient! If I'd heard about it sooner, they'd have found out who's lenient!
56. OKAY, CAN WE PLEASE BE DONE WITH THAT NOW? (Maria: Yes. This is great, Honey!) I wash my hands of it, that's it! In the Early Church the discipline was so stringent, so drastic, that if they even told a lie, they'd drop dead! (Acts 5.) Most of his criticism of leadership has probably BEEN lies, only he probably thought they were true. (Maria: He has one of the best places of service in the Family & has had the most privileges & the most time & attention of almost any of our young people!) Well, he's HAD it! That's the correct way of putting it, he has HAD it & it's FINISHED! Finito! Period!
57. (MARIA: IT SHOWS HOW IMMATURE & HOW SPOILED HE IS. He's complaining at 24 years of age that he can't climb trees & ride skateboards & go ice skating!--Ha! There have been quite a few accidents with skateboards & trees.) Of course, it's very dangerous! I ought to know, I used to do it. But I did it when I was a LITTLE boy, not a full-grown man his age, & I didn't complain about not being allowed to. I knew my elders were right. I got hurt often enough, I oughta know!
58. If he wants to know what I'm like, now he'll know! And any of the kids who complain about it, they can go with him as far as I'm concerned. I can't understand our leadership putting up with him so long! What the Hell is wrong with our leadership that they're getting so soft that they can't exert some stern discipline, & that they tolerate that sort of thing & put up with it for so long instead of letting them know right off the bat that they won't take it!
59. Our leaders must be getting awful soft, afraid to exert a little discipline on those complainers & troublemakers for fear it will offend or lose them. The quicker they offend them & lose them in cases like this longstanding problem, the better! (Maria: I think in the past many of our leaders were very very dictatorial, very merciless & very hard, too hard on people. So in trying to be more loving & merciful, some of them may have gone to the opposite extreme. They've got to try & strike more of a right balance.)
60. AMEN, LORD, YOU DEAL WITH HIM ACCORDINGLY! He deserves it. If he's really still got it, bring him around. I know You don't put up with such foolishness. You're a good loving Father, but You're a TOUGH one! If Your sons get out of line, You sock it to'm! So that's what we're doing, Lord.--For Your sake & his sake & Thy Work's sake. Now YOU sock it to him! Show him that he never had it so good, & show him what the System is like & how they're going to treat him.--In Jesus' name, amen.
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