KEDA'S PROBLEM!
DO 1747
3/84
--Discussion by Dad & Maria
1. The worst thing about having a leader who is a lesbian is that it's questionable to a lot of people. So many people have doubts about it. So it's not a good testimony or example. (Maria: Well, it's been a lot better since you talked about that & she's really trying to be more moderate & even more womanly. She's trying her best, but it's a surface thing, a fleshly thing, that unless we deal with it with the Spirit, she's never going to get the victory.
2. (You said a long time ago that it was a spiritual thing. (See No.292:5) She's VERY willing-spirited, she WANTS to be what the Lord wants her to be, but I had a strong impression that she's not going to be able to until we help her by praying, getting rid of this spirit. Because when we prayed & really rebuked the spirit of pride & self-righteousness, she was just so changed, it was good! But there must be another spirit there that's related to that.
3. (I don't know if this is right or not, but I was thinking about how you said lesbianism was a perversion. Therefore it's spiritual. Could it be a spirit of rebellion? I mean, that's what came to me. She's rebelled against man's authority, male authority. That's what came to me--I thought, "What spirit IS it? We prayed against pride & self-righteousness...") It's sort of a women's lib thing. She doesn't want to give the men superiority. I think that's one reason for this head-on clash between me & her right now. She hasn't felt like she had to yield to anybody's authority because she was a man.
4. (Maria: She'd take almost anything I'D say, but then she'd obviously have doubts about what YOU'D say.--Not TOO obvious or much but it's there. She didn't MEAN it to be. She's really been FIGHTING anything like that. But when you're spiritually oppressed, it's not YOU no matter what you try to do. If it's a spirit that's bothering you, you're sort of powerless against it unless you get it taken care of.
5. (I don't know, I hope I'm right. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS SPIRIT IS, BUT IT SORT OF CAME THAT MAYBE IT WAS SOME KIND OF SPIRIT OF REBELLION.) That's just the Lord! (Maria: Well, I wanted to ask you.) I agree! (Maria: And I thought maybe we should cast the spirit of rebellion out.) Rebellion against authority! What is it that I had to say that she doubted? (Maria: Well as you pointed out in "Why Should I Say More?" (No.1737), it was doubt that you were right. What she said was sort of doubt that you were right to sit there & just enjoy it all the time & dance.
6. (She doesn't WANT to doubt & perhaps she doesn't even realise it, but if we're going to have her get the victory, we've got to get the WHOLE victory! She's very sweet-spirited, she really is willing & wants to do whatever, but it came to me real strong that we're going to have to deal with that spirit of rebellion too.) The worst thing about the Chain was their downing spirits, their critical spirits! (Maria: How would rebellion be related to pride & self-righteousness? They must be related.) For goodness sake, yes! (Maria: Because if you're proud or self-righteous you're doubting the Lord's & others' rightness, & it leads to rebellion?)
7. This is exactly what Samuel says, you know the verse, (Maria: "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft & stubbornness is as iniquity & idolatry."--1Sam.15:23) Stubbornness is a result of pride. (Maria: And stubbornness is like rebellion.) Why would anybody be rebellious or stubborn? "I'm right & you're wrong! I'm right & God's wrong! I'm going to do it MY way!" (Maria: That's pride, right?--Because they're proud.) Like that song that Sinatra made famous, "I Did It MY Way!" It doesn't matter what happened, I did it MY way!
8. (Maria: What's the definition of pride?) It's self-righteousness. Pride IS self-righteousness, that YOU are more righteous than GOD. (Maria: If you're proud of something...) You're proud of your own righteousness. (Maria: You glory in it, in other words.) Yes. (Maria: So, if it's your own righteousness, then you're rebelling against GOD'S righteousness, in other words, because you're saying you're more righteous than God & so you're rebelling against God.) Exactly, & that is pride. Pride IS self-righteousness & it manifests itself in rebellion.
9. It's just like the Devil, if you give him enough rope he'll hang himself, he always gets caught just when he thinks he's doing his best. Jesus, help us, deliver us somehow, rebuke the Enemy in Jesus' name! It's no small thing, no little devil, probably Satan himself! I don't think there's any job around here he'd trust to anybody else. (Maria: I guess Rebellion's a good enough name for him then?) Oh yes, he epitomises rebellion, he is THE rebellion, he led the greatest rebellion ever! Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, stubbornness as idolatry!
10. God damn you, Satan, get out of this place! There's no foothold for you here, in Jesus' name! It's almost like he's cackling in laughter! He's got a foothold in her. (Maria: Well, the Lord's greater!) The Lord's protecting us, thank the Lord! (Maria: And if she really wants a victory, she can have it.) She's either got to get the victory or get out! That spirit that I felt tonight when she came out of the room & darted upstairs was the spirit of rebellion, almost like, "You're not going to conquer me this way!"
11. She's absolutely schizophrenic! She seemed like she was doing good for a long time as long as we didn't find her out & as long as that spirit could hide away & you didn't catch him, but he went a little bit too far that time! He just couldn't resist the temptation to taunt me in what he figured was a weak spot, condemnation! It was condemnation, the condemnation of the Devil! But he hit the wrong guy that time! He really blew his cover, exposed himself, & now he's caught & he's furious! He can't hide anymore, so he's on the rampage!
12. It's probably Satan himself! I don't think he'd trust this job to any lackey! I'm sure he knows we're the greatest threat in this World to his kingdom & he gets as close as he can, & he sure did that time! He was sure trying to keep his cover. She was on her best behaviour. I mean if Keda doesn't get the victory she's like an insane person, schizophrenic!
13. I want you folks to realise that what you're dealing with is the Devil, Satan himself, & you'd better be prayed up & strong in the Lord before you go near her & face her! She's the channel for the Enemy, it was just like the voice of the Devil himself speaking to me. It was like when Satan tempted Jesus, the way she spoke to me that night. It was a taunt, it was a condemnation, although she may not have even realised it. Lord help us in Jesus' name! Bless & keep & protect in Jesus' name!
14. I'll tell you, next time you guys pray over her you'd better rebuke Satan himself, cast him out & order him to leave this place, leave her & this place! Because I don't think he's leaving his job to any little devil or even big devil! He's got a foothold in her & he wants to keep it & he's not going to give up without a battle! He's lost a few rounds but he's still fighting! (Maria: Then I guess the quicker we pray for her the better.) Amen! But,
15. The Scripture that came to me was "this kind goeth not out save by fasting & prayer" (Mat.17:21), like she needs to fast, too, mostly. She's very carnal, she's used to feeding the flesh. She needs to be put on nothing but soup & juices for at least three days.
16. She loves to lord it over women. I think she really hates men. It's the spirit of the age for women to defy men. It's defiance against the law & order of God! "He shall rule over thee," God said, & women have defied it ever since.--Gen.3:16. (Maria: I wonder why she isn't jealous of me? She can't rule ME!) Oh Honey, the Devil is just tiptoeing around you. He knows who you are & who you represent & the powers that protect you, the Archangels that have authority over...(tongues & weeping:)
17. "He knoweth that his time is short & that your father has authority over him & he has no strength where David is concerned!" Well, thank God his time is short! (Maria: Amen, thank You, Jesus!) We've got to rid of him somehow! Did you understand?--You're part of David, Honey! (Maria: Amen, TYJ!) The Archangels of God surround you! She's scared to death of you, so is Satan! You have the authority of the Lord & the Archangels of God protect you! In your presence, she's as meek as a little lamb, scared stiff! That's why you have such peace & confidence in dealing with her, God gives you that, that faith & strength without fear! Because the very Archangels of God encamp around you to protect you, & Satan knows it & he trembles when he sees the weakest saint, it brings him to his knees!
18. "This kind goeth not out save through fasting & prayer!" She needs to be weak in the physical. She's used to being strong. She feeds the flesh. She is used to feeding the flesh, extremely carnal, & this is where Satan has gotten in & has his stronghold on the flesh & the carnal.
19. This is a major serious crisis, she's been the top leader!--She's been dominant in the East for 10 or more years, just like the Devil was trying to hold full sway, but I'm sure the Lord has had His way in spite of the Devil. God accomplished His purpose, thank the Lord! But now the Devil has been exposed & he knows his time is short, therefore he is furious! Jesus, Lord Jesus! I hope she can get the victory through these stop-gap measures through you folks.
20. (Maria: I got a verse when I was thinking about why she was buttering me up all the time & not really giving you enough credit.) The Devil was trying to get your sympathy, to bypass me! (Maria: I got that verse. "We will not have this man to rule over us!"--Luk.19:14. And it was almost like the way I got it was not just you in particular but MALE!) It's the Devil! (Maria: I was thinking about it in relationship to lesbianism & everything.) Well, it's the Devil! It's Satan himself! (Maria: It was like he was saying that?) Yes! The Devil! Exactly, in defiance, it's defiance! (Maria: Rebellion!--I got it like "man" meant "male.") Exactly! (Maria: She doesn't want...) She doesn't want THIS MAN to rule over her, she doesn't mind YOU ruling over her. She doesn't want this MAN to rule over her. (Maria: I told her that.) And I represent the Lord Himself, so it's defiance against GOD!
21. Well, let's see what you guys can do. It's good training for you, because you're going to have to face problems like this. If it isn't her, it is going to be somebody else. Satan is on the rampage & you're going to have to fight him in one form or the other, so you'd better learn how! When the Apostles came back to the Lord & asked why they couldn't cast certain demons out, He said, "This kind"--in other words, very powerful kinds--"could not go out without fasting & prayer." So let's see what you can do WITH fasting & prayer. I'm warning you, if I have to enter into this thing, there is going to be some kind of violent confrontation, she may get beat up! Maybe you ought to warn her, if she doesn't get the victory through your prayer & fasting, then I'm going to come in & beat her up! Maybe that will scare the Devil out of her! It's just the threat of force that scares the devils, the threat of dominance!
22. As the Lord told Peter, who was the most influential disciple of all, the most important one of all! Who was the closest to the Lord in those last days?--Peter! (Maria: The most vocal!) What did the Lord say?--"SATAN hath desired thee that he might sift thee, but I have prayed for thee that thy faith fail thee not!"--Luk.22:31-32. The Devil HIMSELF was using Peter to deny & defy the Lord! You ought to tell her how serious it is, scare the daylights out of her with how serious it is! It's the Devil himself!--Satan himself!--Not some little devil or even some arch-demon but it is Satan himself who is using her!
23. (Maria: And should we give her the verse that you got & then tell her after she has fasted then we are going to pray for her & rebuke the Devil?) Tell her, "We are going to fast & pray three days!"--Nothing but liquids, the whole Family, except for the children, of course. (Maria: And then tell her what's going to happen, then we're going to pray for her that she is delivered from the Devil. I was wondering how much we could tell her is going on & what we were going to do?) Yes, tell her, warn the Devil! Put him on the spot!
24. She had better yield & get the victory & get rid of Satan, or there is going to be a real conflict! This is her chance to yield without violence. (Maria: She'll probably say, "Well, what am I supposed to yield?") The Devil!--Satan! She needs to rebuke Satan in her voice with her own will & tell him to depart!: "I resist you, Satan, in Jesus' name! Get out of me & get out of here, in the name of Jesus!"
25. She can get rid of him by putting her will on the side of God & rebuking him & resisting him & cursing him! (Maria: She should be doing that all the time, even before we pray for her at the end of the 3 days.) She has got to, absolutely, right now, every minute! She needs to be cursing the Devil & rebuking him & resisting him every moment, because it is Satan himself that asks that he might sift her, literally possess her!
26. If she'll really recognise it & fight it & resist it & rebuke the Devil & resist Satan himself, why there's hope, then we won't have to go to the extreme & God won't have to go to the extreme. (Maria: Should we help pray with her then when she does it?) Of course! (Maria: But then that will be almost like doing it before we fast & pray for a few days.) You need to fast & pray for 3 days. (Maria: You mean not pray with her until 3 days?) Well, you've got to keep praying with her all the time & rebuking the Enemy & she needs to learn to rebuke Satan. It's the Devil himself! She has got to realise what a serious threat it is to her & her position in the Lord, if any. (Maria: Even her life, if she doesn't get the victory.) It's a threat to her sanity & her very life! If she doesn't get the victory, the Lord will let the Devil kill her!
27. I'm getting fed up with having to deal with her & taking everybody's time! That's just what the Devil wants, to waste our time & energy, & she'd better recognise the fact that he has gotten in here through her! It ought to scare the daylights out of her to where she really resists & tries to get rid of him before I have to KNOCK him out of her, & I mean it! I'd certainly sooner do that than put up with the Devil here in our midst!
28. You've got to learn how to deal with these problems, with Satan himself! He is going to ask that he might sift thee but I am praying for you that your faith fails you not! Let's hope that's all it takes, because I warn you, if you bring me into this problem it is going to be a last resort! I'm going to [get] her out of here & she'll wish she never came! Of course, then WE'LL have to leave, but anyway at least, praise God, we'll get rid of the problem so the rest of you won't have to be afflicted with it!
29. A three-day fast for everyone but the children, nothing but liquids! It is a pretty good fast, only liquids, about all it does is remind them they are supposed to be praying. They don't suffer for it.
30. I'll tell you, we're dealing with the Ol' Boy himself! It's Satan himself! He hasn't given the job to anybody else & she might as well know it, too. She is his foothold in this house & we are not going to tolerate it! She either gets rid of him voluntarily or I'm going to sock him out of her! It's the Devil himself! He won't leave this job to any little flunkie! Sorry for all of this trouble but it's part of your training. I won't tolerate it, I will have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness.--Eph.5:11. Depart from me, Satan! I rebuke you in the name of Jesus!
31. You'd think after all the trouble she has caused she would want to bow down at my feet & beg & plead for mercy! Instead it seems to me she is still a little arrogant! It seems that the one thing she really lacks is humility! She has no meekness or quietness of spirit, all I got was a continued feeling of rebellion! She feels she is being unjustly treated. Look how the devils challenged Jesus to cast them out from the demented man!: "Art Thou come to torment us before the time?"--Challenged Him! Think of it! Arrogantly defied Him!--Quoted the law on Him! Apparently He couldn't actually condemn them yet or give them their judgement then, all He could do was just let them go their way into the swine!--Mat.8:29-32. That arrogant, defiant spirit is really horrible!
32. I think Keda's very size & strength & that powerful spirit makes it difficult for her to be humble, difficult for her to be meek. I think she has really prided herself in that for so long, in being a man & mannish & masculine, huge & strong, it practically intimidates people, especially women! (Maria: Yes, that's what we were talking about, that she is really proud of that, that's why it is so important to get that rooted out, that whole lesbianism scene with her, because she is proud of it, really proud of it!--Like she's sort of an exception, she is the one person that is like that & she is proud of that, although it is not anything to be proud of, but she is!
33. (You said, "God forgive me for ever vindicating her or excusing her!") I'm talking about her & Shua. (Maria: But you know, in "Women in Love" (No.292) you said definitely how it can be normal for women to be in love & love each other if they still love men & like men too. But you really brought out definitely about HER, we were just reading it yesterday, that it is a spiritual thing that should be prayed over.) She has a real proud haughty spirit about this! I told you before that there is something about her that just really offends me! (Maria: You said right in that Letter it is a PERVERSION that needs to be prayed over, & she needs to be DELIVERED from it! Or, that although some women may be born with some male hormones, in that case you said then they need to be prayed for, that they may be HEALED! So one way or the other there wasn't really a loophole, because it says it's a perversion or physical handicap, & either get DELIVERED or get HEALED, which sort of amounts to the same thing.)
34. But apparently she has felt like she was exonerated & an exception, that she didn't have to. (Maria: Well, what you said there was clear. She needs to be prayed over one way or the other.--If it's just a physical thing, to get healed, or if it's a spiritual thing, to exorcise it, it says very clearly in there.) (See No.292:100.)
35. I don't think she is going to get the victory until she overcomes that mannish spirit completely! It is going to have to be challenged & rebuked & cast out & overcome! As long as she is still vindicating herself & defending herself on that score she is not going to get the victory. (Maria: She says she wants to do whatever it takes.) She is going to have to admit that it is WRONG! (Maria: And that it is a PERVERSION!)--And she has got to get RID of it! (Maria: That's right! Amen! I agree!) It's demonic! (Maria: And we're just going to have to face her with that, just say that & tell her that & say, "Are you willing to forsake that?") Exactly! You are going to have to tell her. If not, it's going to wreck her life, her ministry & her spirit & she is going to be of no good to the Lord or His Work or anything! Because we can't let her run around with that kind of a spirit! This is the end, the end of the line! She needs to get the victory or she is finished, she is out! We can't set our stamp of approval on that sort of thing now that we know what it is really like & just what it really is. She's been exposed & the Devil has been exposed. And we certainly cannot be in cahoots with HIM!
36. The whole World is going to have to know that she has been delivered or demoted or something, that we don't approve of it! And if they have gotten the idea from some of the things I have said that we do, we've got to correct it! (Maria: I think people took the "Girl Who Wouldn't" to be a stamp of approval for Keda personally when actually the point of the whole Letter was that we should be willing to do anything for the Lord. It wasn't just a question of being with Keda, she didn't want to be with any woman, whereas she should've been willing to do anything for the Lord. So what you wrote was valid!) Amen! That's right!
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